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Progressive or Liberal? Does the label really matter?

In March of his year, the Seattle Times ran this story about the battle over "Progressivism vs. Liberalism.

With "liberal" out, what's left? Progressive


Mary Helms, 54, whose family raises peanuts and cotton in Dothan, Ala., said she knew what a liberal was: "Someone who doesn't have very good morals."

And a progressive? "I don't really know anyone who says he's a progressive," Helms said. So she has nothing against them.

As the quote suggests, the article is a good overview of the issue, if not a very scientific survey of the popular usage (and implications) of the labels.

I have always thought it was a mistake to abandon the word 'liberal," merely because conservatives relentlessly trashed it for decades.  What, they're suddenly not going to do that with a new label? Of course they are.  Already, Rush Limbaugh refers to "Progressive liberals."  So sure, perhaps "progressive" is less tainted now, but once the left starts using it routinely, the right will attack it just as routinely as they hammer away on liberal now..

Some feel "liberal" was always too heavily skewed toward issues of personal liberty, and not towards applying government in the interests of forward progress. I am sympathetic to that argument to a point, but not completely convinced. And even if it has some merit, I don't know that it's enough rationale to overpower the emotional connection that generations of liberals have had with the word.  Like my parents and grandparents before me, I've always been proud to be a "liberal," and was never thrilled about giving it up merely because the enemy used their massive media and social clout to tarnish it. And I don't care much that "Teddy" was a progressive, ok?

For me, liberal is a perfectly useful word, and the long tradition of liberal thought and liberal figures  requires a lot less explaining than the shorter (and much fuzzier) tradition of "progressives."

If it really helps the cause to junk it, fine. I am just not convinced it does that yet, and I get a little annoyed that there has been this faceless, nameless advocacy effort over the past 10-15 years to make "progressive" the new plug-and-play word for liberal. It's not very liberal to have an unknown elite making that decision.

I voiced this very concern back in April when I strongly advocated that #p2 be an umbrella  social media hashtag with no particular group or mission aligned with it. It would simply represent the progressive/liberal movement as a whole, acting as a clear channel–or hailing frequency–where any important message or news item could make it into a liberal's social mindspace. 

While that mission is still vital, I felt at the time that the Progressive community might end up going back to its liberal roots, rendering the tag obsolete or quaint. And since progresivism is often seen as a subordinate idea to classic liberalism, #L2, or something like it,  might have had a longer half-life.  Sadly, a lowercase  "L" is just not very forceful in a Twitter feed, and many people would type it instead of the uppercase variant. So for that reason alone, I opted to drop the whole argument. I probably shouldn't have. Stuff happens.

Anyway, the discussion will no doubt go on, probably for generations. It would be nice if something happened to force us to use one or the other in a uniform way.  As it stands, we seesaw back and forth from one to another, often a dozen times in a single conversation.  We have enough fights on our hands just trying to package our messages effectively. We just don't need to be sparring over the labels we slap on them.

If you know of writings on this subject, please post as a comment below, and I will include it in a future reading list.

Progressive or Liberal: Does the label really matter?
  • Toka248
    Yes. It matters. The right wing has controlled the rhetoric with regard to the word so now if one doesn't want the negative connotation it's wisest to change the label.

    Rhetoric has power. The rhetoric of the Obama campaign got a peace prize. Why hold on to failing rhetoric to attempt to regain its relevance when it's far simpler to just make a change? Holding on risks an ignoring of the campaign.
  • The problem for me is 2-fold. Nobody is effectively describing what liberalism is to the swing vote. It needs an image and brand to circumvent the moronic depiction by the far right: moneyless losers, scruffy dopeheads with no morals. Why not say that liberals are people with high ethics, morals, and are firefighters, soldiers, community leaders and successful business-people (like George Soros). Liberal could be the base name, Progressive the direction.

    2nd, and this is the kicker - in my mind, I see liberalism as vast fields of Poland, and conservatives as the German Army. The 2nd is a concentrated, aggressive, disciplined invading force and the 1st is an easily conquered amorphic mass. It kinda needs an army, we need an army that will fight and defend liberal ideas - like the Galactic Rebellion.
  • Liberal is a more general characterization. Progressive makes me think of examples of Progressives such as Teddy Roosevelt. I am not fond of labels, but in some ways it is unavoidable. Human nature tries to organize everything into categories, whether it is good or not.

    Liberal has become pejorative in conservative/Republican circles. I wear it like a badge of honor, and I also agree with the idea of progressiveness in thought and action.
  • very interesting post! and comments! thanks!
  • This is a subject that for me has always made me sore. So far, I've managed to refrain from smacking someone who called me a liberal or a conservative, by barely.  Yes, I've been mistaken for either. I am not a can of peas, do not label me.
    I am also blond, and that's pretty obvious, thank you for noticing.  But what does that mean?  For some it may well be an identity, but it's not for me, and it's not for a lot of other people.  We need to be careful with placing labels on people.  Please read my post on Satanists in the Neighborhood http://bit.ly/4vAQe0 for a bold explanation of where this goes very wrong.
    Generally, I possess liberal or progressive ideals, probably preferring the progressive identification simply because I spend much of my efforts in assisting people and businesses to progress forward, incorporating inevitable change into planning for maximum profit potential. 
    Hence, progressive posture.  Moving forward.
    But I am not.  That's why I like the #P2 hashtag, because it's relative to the ideas contained in the message, not about the messenger or its intended recipient. 
    In all my frustration over being labeled, I admit that I struggle enormously with being drawn into doing the same to "the other side".  Never before, for all my political activities have I ever felt that it was "us and them".   I've never been on a "side".  Supporting certain ideals is completely different.  Today, people, perhaps lacking the depth or talent of previous generations, have decided that their only identity can come with these associations. 
    To identify with either label as an individual is really a red herring. Get two people together that are unaware of each others' political identities, would in all likelihood find that they share absolutely common beliefs and values.  Bring identity into the fold and all bets are off.
    I advise those who label themselves and others to proceed cautiously.  When it all ends, there may be no "there, there."
    Thanks Shoq. I needed my daily rant:)
  • This is a subject that for me has always made me sore. So far, I've managed to refrain from smacking someone who called me a liberal or a conservative, by barely.  Yes, I've been mistaken for either. I am not a can of peas, do not label me.
    I am also blond, and that's pretty obvious, thank you for noticing.  But what does that mean?  For some it may well be an identity, but it's not for me, and it's not for a lot of other people.  We need to be careful with placing labels on people.  Please read my post on Satanists in the Neighborhood http://bit.ly/4vAQe0 for a bold explanation of where this goes very wrong.
    Generally, I possess liberal or progressive ideals, probably preferring the progressive identification simply because I spend much of my efforts in assisting people and businesses to progress forward, incorporating inevitable change into planning for maximum profit potential. 
    Hence, progressive posture.  Moving forward.
    But I am not.  That's why I like the #P2 hashtag, because it's relative to the ideas contained in the message, not about the messenger or its intended recipient. 
    In all my frustration over being labeled, I admit that I struggle enormously with being drawn into doing the same to "the other side".  Never before, for all my political activities have I ever felt that it was "us and them".   I've never been on a "side".  Supporting certain ideals is completely different.  Today, people, perhaps lacking the depth or talent of previous generations, have decided that their only identity can come with these associations. 
    To identify with either label as an individual is really a red herring. Get two people together that are unaware of each others' political identities, would in all likelihood find that they share absolutely common beliefs and values.  Bring identity into the fold and all bets are off.
    I advise those who label themselves and others to proceed cautiously.  When it all ends, there may be no "there, there."
    Thanks Shoq. I needed my daily rant:)
  • I consider myself a liberal rather than a progressive.
    In my eyes the term "progressive" connotes change.
    I consider that the values I stand for are traditional values, and have been around thousands of years. They are the values we expressed as the purported reason for declaring out independence.
    We are in a constant struggle between light and darkness, between totalitarians and the freedom-loving, between oppressors and oppressed, between the compassionate and the greedy, between the fair-minded and the beasts.
    So, to me change is a relative concept. Change is good if it promotes good, and bad if it promotes bad.
    As to whether the distinction matters, I don't know. People who call themselves "progressives" in the US are generally people who share my "liberal" values, so maybe it doesn't.
    But I prefer the term "liberal".
    I don't like right wing, theocratic, radicals to be able to claim that they are "conservative" or that they are defending "traditional values". They defend the traditions of Mussolini, Hitler, Franco, right wing military dictators throughout Latin America, the Klu Klux Klan, Joseph McCarthy, Ronald Reagan, J. Gordon Liddy, E. Howard Hunt, Oliver North, and other similar charlatans.
    In my view the traditional values upon which our country is founded are religious tolerance, freedom of expression, personal privacy, and the natural rights of human beings.
    So if you call me a "conservative" that would be fine, too.
     
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